Monthly Archive for April, 2007

Planning Consultant Hired

Well, almost hired anyway.

Taken the advice from Nicolas Tye and spoken to other experts in the field (thanks Chris!) and had a nice long chat with Dawn over the last 24 hours. We’ve all decided that we do want to push ahead with this project, and we’re determined to work towards getting what’s best for us (and life in the village), and if we’re going to do it, we’re going to do it right!

We’ve been put in touch with Al at Phillips Planning Services Ltd who are based, very conveniently, in Bedford. Even better is the fact that they have a good reputation, and Al has years of experience working on the Planning Committee at Mid Beds District Council. So not only should he know the rules of the game very well, he should be reasonably familiar with Mid Beds’ interpretations of those rules.

On top of all that, he was the consultant Nicolas Tye used themselves when seeking permission for the “extension” of the Long Barn studios in, yes, Mid Beds (in open countryside too). The first reply Nicolas Tye had was also a very flat “no”, but somehow between them they worked their words and pictures and have a very substantial extension under way, complete with telly-tubby characteristics and a wind turbine.

So we basically came to the conclusion if anyone can do it, these guys can.

The first step is to sign some paperwork to actually officially hire Al, then we should meet and discuss our plans, and see where that conversation leads us.

Feeling much more positive again now.  This stuff is pretty stressful, and we’ve not even had a sketch drawn yet!

A Walk Around the Village

This morning the sun was shining, my camera was charged, and I was thinking about the most recent news and our ideas about the future of our self build project.

One thing that really niggles about the initial reply from planning department was that the plans must fit the “local vernacular”.  Now, the village of Salford is lovely, but it doesn’t really have a strong identity or what I would consider a vernacular.

So, I set off for a trek around the Village with my trusty Canon and took photos of every house, and most other buildings, you can view from the paths and roads around the place.

These are a few snaps of our nearest neighbours.

Our Place The Red Lion Waterhall Farm Hasmead The Red Lion
You can see all the photos from the tour here.

After a good wander around the village, snapping away merrily as I went, I really just reinforced my original view that while there are a wide variety of houses and buildings around us, there is nothing like a common theme running through the village.

There are plenty of nice houses and nice aspects to take inspiration from or to refer to when (and if) it comes to designing our new homes, but we couldn’t just say “this fits the local vernacular” and be done with it, I think we’ll have to spend some time explaining the choices we’ve made.

It seems to me just now our best approach may be a remodeling of Waterhall Cottage (the main building) inside and out to modernise and smarten the place, but to nicely reflect next door (The Rectory, not the big barn/warehouse on Mill Lane) and build the second dwelling as an extension/replacement of the current office extension part of the building, and make it somehow barn or outbuilding style, again reflecting the local character, but without looking like the main building too heavily (as outbuildings often don’t).

Anyway, just thinking out loud.

A Silver Lining?

So, it’s been a long time since I’ve posted updated on here, mostly because things have been in the hands of the planners and architects, and secondly as it’s been half term I’ve had two weeks almost full of looking after (read playing with) Alfie (our Son).

The first response back following our pre-planning enquiry was not good. At all. The response read something like “No.” (see previous entry “A Kick in the Balls“), and almost a flat a “No.” as you could imagine. But it did leave questions unanswered, and it felt to me at the time the pre-planning enquiry almost unread.

Anyway, Bethany at Nicholas Tye has since spoken to the very same member of Mid Beds planning who wrote the rather short and negative initial response, and has managed to pull some positives from what appeared to be a dire situation. I have to be honest I was concerned that Nicolas Tye didn’t seem up for a long and drawn out series of negotiations (or, as it should possibly be called, battle) based on how flat the first response appeared to be. But as is often the case speaking to someone gets a better response than emails or letters ever can, and things do seem more bright, but maybe a little convoluted.

Anyway, the long and the short of it appears that while we are, in the eyes of planning policy, in “open countryside” and the greenbelt, it is understood and appreciated that we are in fact flanked by a house and pub (which in turn is opposite commercial buildings, a farm and farm house) on one side, and a tree nursery with a large warehouse, offices, and another residential property on the other. So this puts us in a stronger position than if we were genuinely in the middle of the countryside.

As I’ve mentioned in previous posts, we love the area here (apart from the road we live too close to, which can get busy at times with speeding traffic) and have no intention or desire to do anything other than improve it, and genuinely make it our home for our family. So we all want to preserve and improve the local environment.

What could also play to our favour is the building is registered (and used) for B1 office use. We do not know the exact terms of this agreement/registration, other than we may have up to 17 vehicles coming in and out for office use. Now, when we make this our home, we have no intention to have it used in the same way for the business (Dawn’s business), so the B1 office use could be a very useful bargaining tool. We will be reducing traffic, noise, access and so on when it’s homes rather than offices. So that could be a very good thing.

But here’s the catch. Plan A is a new home for us (Abi, Alfie and myself), one for Lewis (my brother-in-law) and one for Dawn. It transpires that during the course of the conversation between Bethany and the planning department that it wouldn’t be a problem to replace the current building like-for-like (not what we want at all really), and that there is a glimmer of hope we could work it so we have TWO dwellings. But no more. This leaves three parties wanting homes where we can only have two.

We’ve spoken to the others initially and briefly about this, as we obviously want to keep Alfie (four in July) as settled as possible, especially as he’s due to start at primary school this year, and it seems agreed that we’re probably the most keen to get a place, and we’ve also spoken to Dawn who seems very keen to go ahead and get the recommended planning consultant involved to help us on our quest.

It is a strange situation now though, as we know we’re not all going to get a new home, and if we do the design is going to have be more clever and subtle than we expected. Which in my eyes is no bad thing. The trick is apparently we have to “find a vernacular” and try to design to suit that. Which could be seen as a bad thing, but really could be a very good thing as there’s such a mish-mash of houses from different periods, and many different styles, in the Village in general and in our street that it opens up a lot of possibilities to pick and chose elements we like and try to make those work in a different context. Glad I’m not the architect though, but I think it could be a fun project.

So now we have to get together with Dawn and Lewis to discuss where we want to go from here, who wants what, and how we’re going to achieve it.

As an aside when I spoke to Bethany she suggested we do our part to try and build up a picture of life at the moment, especially the areas we hope to improve on, such as traffic, access and so on. I said it was a shame as the oil tanker came only a couple of weeks ago and blocked off the road (again), and we neglected to take photos. The following morning a car sped (as is so often the case) up to the building, lost control on the bend, and ended up facing the other way partially tangled in some wire supporting a power cable! Maybe someone is smiling down on us after all. I did feel a little guilty taking photos (after checking the driver was OK and didn’t want a cup of tea to calm his nerves), but only a very little bit guilty. How they missed the house I’ll never know, and it was so lucky no traffic or cyclists were coming the other way. But it helps illustrate that this is a dodgy bend/road to have access on to.

So in short we’ve gone from “No.” to a situation of like for like almost certainly less, and two dwellings a real possibility if we can present a strong enough case.

A Kick in the Balls

Probably the first of many kicks in the balls arrived with the expected sickening thud Today.

It appears that at least one member of the planning department isn’t keen on our ideas. In fact, they all but ruled them out. And I quote “[I] advise you that I remain firmly of the view that this site lies outside of the Settlement Envelope for Salford in the Green Belt where there are strong objections to any additional development”.

The communication also, rather bizarrely considering the complete jumble of houses and housing styles in Salford, states “The designs suggested in no way reflect the local vernacular”. This is also rather odd as we haven’t submitted or suggested any designs, nor made any mention of design in the pre-application, beyond that we will consider the surrounding environment, and aim for betterment of the area. I’m wondering if the rectangles on the OS map don’t fit within the “local vernacular”, then maybe we should try squares or triangles!?

Anyway, we’re waiting on a chance to talk over things with Nicolas and Bethany from Nicolas Tye Architects. Right now we feel determined to carry on, as it doesn’t even feel the pre-application has been read and considered properly, and just brushed aside as being in “green belt, so no”. Maybe planners are the Ogres we’d read all about in “Grand Designs” and such after all.

Maybe it was just read on a Friday afternoon.